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Offline dejavu1953

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ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« on: July 16, 2010, 09:40:48 PM »
Hi.

Any ideas when this great planes came part TopCat ??

all the best

Luis

Offline Judith B.

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2010, 08:11:43 PM »
We have nearly finished the ATR72-500, what weŽd need is an aircraft.cfg file.

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2010, 11:00:36 PM »
tell me where to send to
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Offline Michael Krause

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 06:42:33 AM »
I've send you mine via Email.

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Offline dougsnow

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 06:56:47 AM »

And I know that Christian has an entire Flight Performance manual for the MD80 :)
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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 06:00:35 PM »
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Any ideas when this great planes came part TopCat ??

The ATR-72-500 is in BETA stage now and can be downloaded via our homepage...  ;)
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Offline Michael Krause

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 08:16:30 PM »
Hi Christian!

Thanks for the AT72! There seems to be a little bug in there - 0m margin on 26L in EDDM sounds a bit unrealistic... ;)

Also, how is the Vapp derived from the Vref? On most models there is the rule of Vref+half steady wind+full gusts; not less than Vref+5kts. But I usually see on B738 and now also on the AT72 values of Vref+16kts with a wind of 16kts head (no gusts)... where it should be Vref+8.

Find data for both below:

TAKE-OFF EDDM/MUC  RWY 26L  TORA 4000M           
TEST  ATR 72-500 PW 124
MUNCHEN                                           

TEMP +9C   QNH 1018   WIND 280/06 (05KT HW)

------------------  CONDITIONS  -------------------
          ** FLAPS 15 ** NORM TO ** DRY **         
       ** AIR COND NORMAL ** ANTI ICE OFF **       

          ASSUMED TAKE-OFF WEIGHT 20616 KG         

------------------  FULL THRUST -------------------
// +9C  23000 OBS(A)   107   107 111      0M  90.0%

***************************************************
DO NOT EXCEED MAX STRUCT TAKE-OFF WGHT OF  22000 KG
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------------------  ENGINE OUT  -------------------
AT 10 DME 'DMS' 108.6 LT TO 'MUN' 112.3 (082 INBD,
RT)

---------------------- END  -----------------------

LANDING LZIB/BTS  RWY 31  LDA 2950M               
TEST  ATR 72-500 PW 124
BRATISLAVA                                       

TEMP +11C   QNH 1014   WIND 290/17 (15KT HW)

--------------  INFLIGHT CONDITIONS  --------------
        ** FLAPS 30 ** DRY ** LDG CAT II **       
       ** AIR COND NORMAL ** ANTI ICE OFF **       

          ASSUMED LANDING WEIGHT 19516 KG         
               VREF=95KT   VAPP=111KT             

----------------  MAXIMUM BRAKING  ----------------
//MAX MANUAL    23000 KG     676M    (REM  2274M)

--------------  AUTOBRAKE LDG DIST  ---------------

***************************************************
MAXIMUM STRUCTURAL LANDING WEIGHT IS       21850 KG
***************************************************

---------------------- END  -----------------------

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Michael

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2010, 06:15:23 PM »
Ok, from your report I see a few issues (bugs) or maybe a mistake...

First off, the ATR 72-500 in all operational documentation and FOS, is known as the ATR 72-212A. It is fitted with PW127F or M engines, not the PW124.

The MTOW is either 22,500 or 22,800 depending on if the operator spends more money to ATR.

I hope, that the right FCOM has been used to model the aircraft into TOPCAT, as from the report given looking at the weights and engine version... I would hate to think the wrong FCOM has been used!

Hope this is not the case!~

JJ

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 02:52:40 PM »
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I hope, that the right FCOM has been used to model the aircraft into TOPCAT, as from the report given looking at the weights and engine version... I would hate to think the wrong FCOM has been used!

We have now isolated the problem: the performance figures are taken form the correct document, however the W&B part was taken from the wrong source.
This will be solved in the next release.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2010, 03:17:51 PM by Christian Grill (TOPCAT) »
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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2010, 11:45:11 PM »
Shall I hold my breath for the Flight 1 Super 80?  This is one of my favorites.  There's quite a bit of performance data available at www.coolsky.no.

Thanks,

Stacey

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2010, 03:30:45 AM »
Christian has the entire official MD80 performance manual, but as it has been said ad infinitum, the creation of any performance data file is no trivial task, and he does have a day time gig to work as well...
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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2010, 02:12:27 PM »
...and the MD80 will also be the next airplane to add.

BUT there is no specifc timeframe yet...
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Offline stweaver321

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Re: ATR 72 (flight1) and Super80 (Flight1)
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 12:40:48 AM »
...and the MD80 will also be the next airplane to add.

BUT there is no specifc timeframe yet...

That's great news!  Thanks.

Stacey